tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26437387.post115246367379232472..comments2023-10-19T08:49:35.405-05:00Comments on Aún Estamos Vivos: Christian Pacifism: Wimpiness, or Prophetic Witness?Jeffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10754406706300818849noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26437387.post-1152671088562549632006-07-11T21:24:00.000-05:002006-07-11T21:24:00.000-05:00Hi Paula, :-)Don't worry, I'm the one struggling t...Hi Paula, :-)<BR/><BR/>Don't worry, I'm the one struggling to keep up with everyone. Summertime... Some nice weather for a change... Very busy between birthdays, holidays, car repairs, and work..<BR/><BR/>CheersJeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10754406706300818849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26437387.post-1152670954642541032006-07-11T21:22:00.000-05:002006-07-11T21:22:00.000-05:00Hi Darius,"Pragmatic pacifism" which depends on th...Hi Darius,<BR/><BR/>"Pragmatic pacifism" which depends on the social context... That's intriguing, because I've always had the impression that it (pacifism) is an all-or-nothing kind of deal that relied on total consistency. I'm trying to learn more about it. If you could fill us in, that would be great.<BR/><BR/>PeaceJeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10754406706300818849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26437387.post-1152670746087187312006-07-11T21:19:00.000-05:002006-07-11T21:19:00.000-05:00Hi Crys,Good article by Fr. Drinan. I didn't know...Hi Crys,<BR/><BR/>Good article by Fr. Drinan. I didn't know he was still kicking around. :-) He's seemed awful quiet ever since they made him stand down from congress years ago. Thanks for posting that. I can always rely on you for good Ignatian stuff. :-)Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10754406706300818849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26437387.post-1152670517632669722006-07-11T21:15:00.000-05:002006-07-11T21:15:00.000-05:00Hi Mike!Thanks for putting that quote in by Stanle...Hi Mike!<BR/><BR/>Thanks for putting that quote in by Stanley Hauerwas. Hauerwas is an interesting guy. I had posted before about various theories of atonement <A HREF="http://estamos-vivo.blogspot.com/2006/06/sharktacos-and-theories-on-meaning-of.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>, and Hauerwas had an interesting interview about his view of atonement <A HREF="http://www.beliefnet.com/story/161/story_16134_1.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>. <BR/><BR/>Interesting what you say about our hates, dislikes, and personal autonomy. I reminds me of what you said before when you wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>Woundedness: The allure of ideological realignment as a method for settling personal scores. Its premise: Repudiating the views of persons and institutions that have wounded us moves us closer to the truth. But does it?</I>Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10754406706300818849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26437387.post-1152566473136216142006-07-10T16:21:00.000-05:002006-07-10T16:21:00.000-05:00Jeff, I am so sorry to not have time to digest and...Jeff, I am so sorry to not have time to digest and comment these posts. I will catch up in few days.:-)PVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04943143109952894018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26437387.post-1152554149430753572006-07-10T12:55:00.000-05:002006-07-10T12:55:00.000-05:00Maybe your position could be described as somethin...Maybe your position could be described as something like, "pragmatic pacifism" which is also mine. It isn't an absolutist stance that would see non violence as the solution in every case, but would view violence as a last resort, when no other options are viable. <BR/><BR/>Gandhi and Martin Luther King, for example, lived in social contexts where nonviolence could work. But trying that with Adolf Hitler would have been a bad option!<BR/><BR/>To me, the problem today is that nonviolent means are highly underutilized, keeping the world in turmoil.Dariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09456843848141315800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26437387.post-1152523756558624252006-07-10T04:29:00.000-05:002006-07-10T04:29:00.000-05:00Jeff, your post made me look around the net for mo...Jeff, <BR/><BR/>your post made me look around the net for more info on this subject ... thanks for that ... and I found an article (by a Jesuit, of course) called <A HREF="http://www.religiousconsultation.org/News_Tracker/is_it_time_for_Catholics_to_become_pacificist.htm" REL="nofollow">Is it time for Catholics to become pacifist?</A><BR/><BR/>It had a quote of JFK's ...<BR/><BR/><I>President Kennedy said it well, “Mankind must put an end to war or war will put an end to mankind.” Kennedy spoke in the great tradition of Catholicism and a Quaker appeal when he predicted that, “War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige as the warrior does today.”</I>crystalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05681674503952991492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26437387.post-1152493089649512582006-07-09T19:58:00.000-05:002006-07-09T19:58:00.000-05:00Good post, Jeff. It put me in mind of Methodist et...Good post, Jeff. It put me in mind of Methodist ethicist Stanley Hauerwas, formerly of Notre Dame and now at Duke.<BR/><BR/>"The essential presupposition of peacemaking as an activity among Christians is our common belief that we have been made part of a community in which people no longer regard their lives as their own. We are not permitted to harbor our grievances as “ours.” When we think our brother or sister has sinned against us, such an affront is not just against us but against the whole community. A community established as peaceful cannot afford to let us relish our sense of being wronged without exposing that wrong in the hopes of reconciliation. We must learn to see wrongs as “personal” because we are part of a community where the “personal” is crucial to the common good.<BR/><BR/>"It is an unpleasant fact, however, that most of our lives are governed more by our hates and dislikes than by our loves. I seldom know what I really want, but I know what or whom I deeply dislike and even hate. It may be painful to be wronged, but at least such wrongs give me a history of resentments that, in fact, constitute who I am. How would I know who I am if I did not have my enemies?" <BR/><BR/>Pacifism requires conversion as well as renunciation of our attachment to personal autonomy. A touch sell, to be sure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com